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# [Eliminating Toxic Leadership with David Macknin](https://blog.topgrading.com/podcast/resources/blog/eliminating-toxic-leadership)

 Written by [Topgrading Team](https://blog.topgrading.com/podcast/author/topgrading-team) | Aug 24, 2022, 5:00:00 AM

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## In this episode…

Great leaders are focused, flexible, and put the health and well-being of their team at the forefront of the company. As David Macknin  points out, there are so many different ways to manage a company, but there’s one common denominator: your people. However, one experience showed David  how *not*  to be a leader — and why it’s so important to have a strong, valued team.  Find out on this episode of the *Talent Wins* podcast, where Chris Mursau is joined by David Macknin , Principal at ChicagoRisk and President of The Owens Group, Inc. David  talks about his journey managing the Alper Services team and making leadership changes, the mistakes he made and lessons he learned along the way, and the people that are inspiring him to become the best leader possible.

## Resources Mentioned in this episode

- [Chris Mursau on LinkedIn](https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-mursau-037708/) 
- [Topgrading on LinkedIn](https://www.linkedin.com/company/topgrading-inc-)
- [Topgrading](https://topgrading.com/)
- [David Macknin on LinkedIn](https://www.linkedin.com/in/dmacknin/) 
- [ChicagoRisk](https://www.chicagorisk.net/chicagorisk)
- The Owens Group, Inc.
- [*Scaling Up: How a Few Companies Make It…and Why the Rest Don’t* by Verne Harnish](https://scalingup.com/book/)
- [Craig Groeschel](https://www.craiggroeschel.com/)

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